How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb?

by Michael VanDervort on May 26, 2010 · 53 comments

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Just one, but they are probably wearing 97 different hats

I have been a generalist HR practitioner and site manager for most of my career.   I have done almost everything you can do in a generalist role at one point or another.    Today, I am a specialist, and a consultant.   I don’t manage anyone directly.   I don’t even deal directly with clients that much anymore.  Some days I feel like a stranger in a strange HR land.

For some odd reason, when I start feeling like this, I start looking at HR job postings.  I always have.   Before the Internet, I used to read the Help Wanted ads in the Sunday newspaper every week.  I wanted to see who and what local companies were hiring for, what my local competitors were doing, how they wrote their ads, and most importantly back then, if they were publishing any specifics on starting rates and benefit packages.

Today when I want to gather that kind of information, I just use web research tools.  When I want to read job ads, I check JobShouts or LinkUp or TweetMyJobs.   I felt like doing that this morning, and I ran across this job posting:

HR MANAGER (PLANT) non-union

Our client is a very prominent durable goods manufacturer actively pursuing a Plant Human Resource Manager due to a recent internal promotion. This is a 400 person non-union plant that has experienced seven consecutive years of year over year growth. This company has a very outgoing and energetic company culture and is seeking a Manager who has great interpersonal skills. The Corporate Director of HR is looking to fill this position as soon as possible!

The HR Manager will have 5 direct reports and responsibilities will center around typical generalist duties (benefits, safety, environmental, recruiting, etc).

QUALIFICATIONS

-Bachelors degree is required for consideration
-MBA, Masters degree, or SPHR certification is considered a plus
-Candidate must have a strong generalist background
-Non-union experience is an absolute must!  (union avoidance experience a plus)
-Greenfield Startup experience is a plus

RELOCATION IS OFFERED FOR THIS POSITION

If you want to see the posting, see it here.

That is a lot of hats, even with a staff of 5, and they didn’t mention a lot of the other hats this type of job typically wears.  You know the others – compensation, training, communications, local charity liaison, party planner, confidante, OD, security, and the rest, whatever they might be.

How many hats can the average HR generalist wear competently?

It seems like I just took it for granted and did all these things as best I could back in the day.   I would start my day with a meeting with the contract security guard who did watch on the 3rd shift, collect his reports and keys, then show up at my office in time to be there to hand out safety equipment to the first shift, and collect some notes and field some insurance questions from the 3rd shift.   Then I would walk the floor to touch base with the various department supervisors, union shop stewards, and others who might want a piece of my time first thing in the morning.   Then I would run back to my office, check emails and draft a series of bullet points in Word covering HR topics for review and distribution at the 10 AM “All Managers” meeting with the plant manager.   I would say hello to my staff, discuss their problems, give some assignments, and move on the next thing, if no one called from Corporate, or no shop steward was knocking at my door with a disgruntled employee, union contract and grievance form in hand.   I was truly a Jack of all trades, and a Master of few.

Of course, some of these duties, like environmental or safety at a local plant site really aren’t the type of role that require a deep technical expertise in order to complete paperwork, and deliver some canned training programs, but they do cast you as the local expert, and the “go to person” for related issues, whether you are or not.

This has often made me wonder, is this one of the reasons it seems so difficult for HR to get “respect”?  Do we wear so many varied and diverse hats that we are essentially “OK” at doing a lot of things, but not really expert at any of them?   As practitioners, are we too wide, and not deep enough?

I don’t have an answer here, just the question.    When I worked like this, it seemed natural, and I felt like I was pretty effective.  When I look at it from my role today, it seems to be a role that is is fractured and absurd at best, and somewhat schizophrenic at worst.   I know there are a lot of generalists who will tell me that this is a good way of doing things, and that they enjoy the challenges.  I recognize the economic reality that most plant sites cannot afford to staff with an army of specialists.   And being big, and having lots of specialists isn’t really a magnificent alternative either.

No one is running  any “buy one , get one free” specials down at the “Expert” store, are they?

Our field just seems very difficult to structure.

How does your company do it?  How should we change it?

I’d love to hear some dialogue on this one, people!

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1 MikeVanDervort May 26, 2010 at 9:03 pm

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2 MikeVanDervort May 26, 2010 at 9:03 pm

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3 Michael VanDervort May 26, 2010 at 9:03 pm

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4 Michael VanDervort May 26, 2010 at 9:04 pm

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5 Greg Savage May 26, 2010 at 9:04 pm

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6 MikeVanDervort May 27, 2010 at 1:03 am

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7 jkjhr May 27, 2010 at 1:04 am

@MikeVanDervort Do any of those managers have a seat at the table? Looking forward to reading it.

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8 MikeVanDervort May 26, 2010 at 9:09 pm

@jkjhr they are seated at some table. somewhere

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9 SebabiSays May 26, 2010 at 9:35 pm

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10 Edward Philipp May 27, 2010 at 1:12 am

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11 Michael VanDervort May 27, 2010 at 1:22 am

@greg_savage @EdLovesSumo Thanks for RTs! How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/b3mvL0 #hr #shrm

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12 Sebabi Leballo May 27, 2010 at 1:35 am

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13 SBWorkforce May 27, 2010 at 7:29 am

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14 James Knight May 27, 2010 at 7:29 am

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15 Coaching Focus May 27, 2010 at 7:30 am

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16 Charlie Judy
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May 27, 2010 at 8:24 am

“Do we wear so many varied and diverse hats that we are essentially “OK” at doing a lot of things, but not really expert at any of them? As practitioners, are we too wide, and not deep enough?” YES

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17 Michael VanDervort
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May 27, 2010 at 8:59 am

Agreed. Haven’t yet thought through a better formula. Don’t like the aggregated, Centers of Excellence approach for some of these areas. They work ok for others.

Thanks for following!

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18 PENINA C. SACHS May 27, 2010 at 9:01 am

RT @TrishMcFarlane: How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/c3jqtH via @mikevandervort #hr #shrm #hrevol …

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19 John Jorgensen May 27, 2010 at 9:15 am

Mike, great post. As a “trench” HR person, I can relate to what this says. Thanks for saying what many of us think.

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20 Michael VanDervort
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May 27, 2010 at 9:50 am

@John – I am not sure we can change it, but it helps to realize it, I guess

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21 Frank Zupan May 27, 2010 at 9:34 am

Great post Mike. Got me thinking of a quote that a great friend, John P. uses on his site, OneMansBlog:

“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die gallantly.

Specialization is for insects.”
—Robert A. Heinlein from The Notebook of Lazarus Long

Always thought this defined life in HR quite well.

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22 Michael VanDervort
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May 27, 2010 at 9:52 am

@Frank

Love the quote, which figures since I also love Heinlein. Did you you note the “Stranger in a Strange Land” reference at the start of my post? Nice symmetry!

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23 Michael VanDervort May 27, 2010 at 11:01 am

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24 Alicia Arenas May 27, 2010 at 11:07 am

Love this! RT @MikeVanDervort: New post: How many HR Managers does it take 2 change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/c3jqtH #hr #hrevolution

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25 Trish McFarlane May 27, 2010 at 11:22 am

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26 Jennifer McClure May 27, 2010 at 11:27 am

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27 Mark Walsh May 27, 2010 at 11:32 am

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28 Steve Browne May 27, 2010 at 11:38 am

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29 MervynDinnen May 27, 2010 at 12:02 pm

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30 Chris Frede May 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm

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31 John Jorgensen May 27, 2010 at 1:16 pm

RT @HRBuoy: RT @MikeVanDervort: How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/at34oa <Thanks for the post Mike,

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32 AMA Training May 27, 2010 at 1:50 pm

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33 Joni Thomas Doolin May 27, 2010 at 2:25 pm

How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/9FJjmX more wisdom from @MikeVanDervort

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34 The Chemistry Group May 27, 2010 at 2:28 pm

RT @luckypenny: How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/9FJjmX very thought provoking

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35 Jeffrey J Kingman May 27, 2010 at 2:39 pm

RT @luckypenny: How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/9FJjmX more wisdom from @MikeVanDervort

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36 Starr Tincup May 27, 2010 at 3:03 pm

Who says you can’t be good at everything? In HR, it’s a must. http://ow.ly/1QDNz

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37 PayScale HR PROs May 27, 2010 at 4:05 pm

How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/c3jqtH via @mikevandervort #hr #shrm (RT @TrishMcFarlane)

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38 John Jorgensen May 28, 2010 at 2:24 pm

Mike, in going back and rereading this, I might want to take issue with this, or at least the way SmartBrief read it. I think those of us who have taken the “trench” HR generalist position on, and do it right, do have the depth needed to do the job. I consider myself to have the depth needed to serve an employer in all facets of HR well, and on those rare moments I realize I need help, I know what area that is and who to go to.

I think good, seasoned HR pros like many I know, have the depth necessary to do the job just as well or better than say an accounting or marketing manager.

Thanks.

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39 Michael VanDervort
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May 28, 2010 at 9:01 pm

Hey John – I wasn’t actually implying that most HR pros are not deep enough. The thought that I was pushing is more like, being spread so thin makes it difficult to be really deep and professionally competent in every discipline we are asked to cover.

I stand by that, and the way SmartBrief certainly is true for a percentage of the generalists within our profession.

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40 Donna Strongin May 28, 2010 at 6:24 pm

RT @MikeVanDervort: How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/at34oa

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41 Beth N. Carvin, Nobscot Corporation May 29, 2010 at 2:14 pm

One of the great things about HR is that you get involved in so many interesting facets of the business. No doubt this is not for everyone but there are many that thrive in this kind of environment. The types of tasks, while varied and requiring the ability to “switch gears,” are related in enough ways to allow people like you, Mike, to become an expert in all of them.

The people I’m more astonished by are the Super Moms and Dads out there who work full time jobs, raise their children, keep their homes clean and their bellies full, attend extra work functions, assist with school projects and activities, write blogs, post on social networks and so on.

They make the many tasks of HR look easy!

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42 Michael VanDervort
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May 29, 2010 at 5:25 pm

Beth – Like I said in the post, I never thought much about this when I was doing, and a bunch of the other stuff you mentioned. It is just now, when I am not wearing 97 hats, that I can cogitate on such things. I have unlimited respect for the many generalists in our proud profession who have to keep sucking it up, day after day – doing more with less, and yet they keep their places running well…. it is awesome, but I still wonder if it is the best way?

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43 paulo pisano May 29, 2010 at 5:41 pm

RT @warkmalsh: RT @TrishMcFarlane: How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/c3jqtH via @mikevandervort

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44 Ed Sayson May 29, 2010 at 7:25 pm

How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/at34oa

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45 Chuck Conine, SPHR
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May 30, 2010 at 10:16 am

Mike, first, thanks for maintaining this blog. It’s a lot of work to keep current. You’re doing a great job with your site.

As for your post, you pose an interesting dilemma for the HR professional. Should we experience all that HR has to offer, and possibly fail because we can’t master every discipline? Or, should we specialize in one field, say, compensation or benefits, become subject matter experts, and perhaps be overlooked for an important broad scope opportunity?

Your joke about HR wearing “97 hats” is, of course, right on; it also highlights a very basic problem we face: finding ourselves overwhelmed at times. Though we want to be seen as able to keep all the balls in the air, this isn’t going to work every time. How we prioritize and regroup, always moving forward, even if by seeming inches, is a mark of our professionalism, however, contributing to how our colleagues view us. In vast knowledge professions such as HR, there’s no other way to grow than little by little.

What worked for me, and what I passed on to my team members over the years was to take each assignment as it comes and perform it to the best of our ability. If as we grow as generalists we find a specialty we favor, we can adopt it as our own. But first we must know our basic disciplines — backward and forward. Doctors don’t begin as surgeons.

The greater our skills, the less we will be overwhelmed by multi-tasking or competing priorities. If we are falling short in our professional development struggling, say, with mastering state wage/hour laws, we have to reinvest time — take classes, read texts and ask our colleagues for guidance — until our skill level improves through continued exposure to the discipline.

A colleague from years back had this very problem and became very frustrated with giving out incomplete or plain wrong advice. That problem ceased, however, when the colleague finally took responsibility for learning what knowledge was missing, and how to practically apply it.

If we wish to avoid the label of “jack of all (HR) trades, master of none” continuing enrichment and education in each of our disciplines is essential. And we must be humble enough to admit when we don’t know the answer; no one is greater than the person who acknowledges imperfection but who nevertheless strives for greatness.

Best regards, Mike.

Chuck Conine, SPHR

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46 Michael VanDervort
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May 30, 2010 at 12:16 pm

@Chuck

Thanks for the long and thoughtful response. (and the compliment about the blog) Those of us who have chosen to make a career i a profession like HR face many challenges every day. I really like your solution to dealing with our vast body of knowledge profession.

I had hoped to get a perspective from some of other professions like finance on whether life is the same in other fields or not. Appreciate your comment and your suggestions!

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47 slinkygator May 30, 2010 at 1:10 pm

RT @warkmalsh: RT @TrishMcFarlane: How many HR Managers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://bit.ly/c3jqtH via @mikevandervort

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48 wilko64 May 30, 2010 at 10:43 pm

http://bit.ly/agsr40 – How many HR consultants does it take to change a light bulb? It depends on which hat they are wearing…. Good post

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49 SkillStorm June 1, 2010 at 7:10 pm

@MikeVanDervort Do human resources generalists lack depth? http://ow.ly/1SEnh #HR #humanresources #hiring #

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50 Hay_Group June 4, 2010 at 5:13 pm

Are HR pros wearing too many hats? http://bit.ly/c3jqtH

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51 Michael VanDervort June 9, 2010 at 7:42 pm

@Kris_Dunn my version of "How Many HR pros does it take to change a lightbulb?" http://bit.ly/agsr40 #hr #PRSCamp

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